Saturday, September 10, 2011

Strange Statements Regarding Mad Cow In Canada From Patricia Doyle, PhD 3-6-11 via RENSE.com

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Strange Statements Regarding Mad Cow In Canada From Patricia Doyle, PhD 3-6-11


Hello, Jeff - What kind of ProMed comment is this?? The moderator estimates the mad cow's age at 6 and a half years and ponders if 'feed contamination' caused the disease.

My math tells me the ruminants in feed ban took place in 1997 or there about. 1997 is far more than 6 and a half years ago.

Promed's best and brightest then goes on to ponder that maybe it is not a prion but a "virus". Huh?

Also note 'Manitoba' in the title. It is not Manitoba but Alberta. This is all very strange for Promed.

Patty

"A 77-month-old cow is a about 6.5 years old. So a couple of questions come to mind: Is this from a feed contamination issue? Or is this agent really a prion? Could it be a virus?

These are intended as thought provoking questions. These questions are not tossed out to receive answers as there are a host of research papers, as well as opinions, but rather they are tossed out as rhetorical questions. - Moderator TG"

BSE, BOVINE - CANADA: (MANITOBA)


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Date: 4 Mar 2011 Source: Reuters (edited) Alberta Dairy Cow Found To Have Mad Cow Disease

Canadian government officials have found a dairy cow in Alberta with mad cow disease, but the finding is not surprising and shouldn't affect beef exports, a spokesman for the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) said on Friday [4 Mar 2011]. The agency confirmed the case of bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or BSE as the disease is also known, on 18 Feb 2011 in a 77-month-old dairy cow, spokesman Guy Gravelle said.

In 2003, the 1st discovery of a cow in Canada with the disease led to closures of numerous export markets to Canadian beef. Most have reopened, other than South Korea and China, and importers are no longer as sensitive to new cases as countries such as Canada now have monitoring systems in place.

Canada continues to be rated a "controlled risk" for the disease by the World Organization for Animal Health, Gravelle said. The newest case may delay any upgrade to Canada's international risk status as a country cannot apply for negligible status sooner than 11 years after the latest-born case.

The cow has been destroyed and no part of its carcass entered the human food or animal feed systems, Gravelle said.

The case, which is believed to be Canada's 18th, should not affect exports of Canadian cattle or beef, he said, as a small number of BSE cases are expected as Canada monitors for the disease.

Byline: Rod Nickel, reporter; Walter Bagley, editor


http://ca.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idCATRE7233JT20110304



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Hello Patricia Doyle, PhD, and Jeff Rinse et al ;



Patricia Doyle, PhD 3-6-11 said ;


Hello, Jeff - What kind of ProMed comment is this?? The moderator estimates the mad cow's age at 6 and a half years and ponders if 'feed contamination' caused the disease.

My math tells me the ruminants in feed ban took place in 1997 or there about. 1997 is far more than 6 and a half years ago.

Promed's best and brightest then goes on to ponder that maybe it is not a prion but a "virus". Huh?

Also note 'Manitoba' in the title. It is not Manitoba but Alberta. This is all very strange for Promed.


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I find your attack on ProMed et al strange, if not rude. this is my personal opinion.

for one thing, regardless whether or not you believe in the prion or the virus theory, or both, MY MATH shows me that the _partial_ and _voluntary_ August 4, 1997 mad cow feed ban by the FDA here in the USA you commented on, you and i both know that this was nothing but ink on paper, that in fact, as late as 2007 (one decade post partial and voluntary mad cow feed ban), in one week, via just two recalls, there was 10,000,000 million pounds of banned mad cow feed still going into commerce. and that was just the tip of the ice berg. prion, virus, whatever, you cannot dispute the fact that feed was the cause of over 300,000 bse dead cattle in the UK, due to the feed. the drastic reductions in numbers of BSE there after the feed ban proved this, as well with transmission studies there after. further more, you know, as well as i do, that the virus vs prion debate is still ongoing. AS ProMed et al so kindly stated ;


"These are intended as thought provoking questions. These questions are not tossed out to receive answers as there are a host of research papers, as well as opinions, but rather they are tossed out as rhetorical questions. - Moderator TG"



SO again, in my opinion, besides your comments being rude, they did not make much sense to me, rather confusing, other than an unwarranted attack. or i missed something?


again, this just is my opinion, ProMed et al did not have in any way nothing to do with this. i just saw it today, and wanted to just give my 2 cents...


terry



let's review, shall we ;



Patricia Doyle, PhD 3-6-11 said ;


"Promed's best and brightest then goes on to ponder that maybe it is not a prion but a "virus". Huh?"


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Virus-Like Structure Calls Into Question Origin of Diseases Such as “Mad Cow”

Published: December 10, 2010

http://opac.yale.edu/news/article.aspx?id=8094



Nuclease resistant circular DNAs copurify with infectivity in scrapie and CJD

Laura Manuelidis1

(1) Yale University Medical School, 333 Cedar Street, New Haven, CT 06510, USA

http://www.springerlink.com/content/k201658k278254q6/fulltext.html



Endogenous Viral Etiology of Prion Diseases

Claudiu I. Bandea

National Center for Infectious Diseases, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, GA 30333

cbandea@cdc.gov / October 20, 2009


http://precedings.nature.com/documents/3887/version/1/html



http://precedings.nature.com/documents/3887/version/1



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Patricia Doyle, PhD 3-6-11 said ;


"Promed's best and brightest then goes on to ponder that maybe it is not a prion but a "virus". Huh?"



seems others are still pondering the same thing doesn't it. not just the best and brightest at ProMed, Huh ??? ...tss





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let's review further, shall we ;



Patricia Doyle, PhD 3-6-11 said ;


"Also note 'Manitoba' in the title. It is not Manitoba but Alberta. This is all very strange for Promed."



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IF Patricia Doyle, PhD would have bothered looking, that post was corrected ;


Archive Number 20110305.0720 Published Date 05-MAR-2011 Subject PRO/AH/EDR> BSE, bovine - Canada: (AB)


BSE, BOVINE - CANADA: (ALBERTA)


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A ProMED-mail post ProMED-mail is a program of the International Society for Infectious Diseases


[In the original email version of this post, the province was erroneously identified as Manitoba. The correct province involved was Alberta. ProMED-mail apologizes for this error.]


snip...please see ;


http://www.promedmail.org/pls/apex/f?p=2400:1202:317901045730711::NO::F2400_P1202_CHECK_DISPLAY,F2400_P1202_PUB_MAIL_ID:X,87404




maybe everyone just is not as perfect as Patricia Doyle, PhD et al, or not ???




Patricia Doyle, PhD 3-6-11 said ;


"My math tells me the ruminants in feed ban took place in 1997 or there about. 1997 is far more than 6 and a half years ago."


really ?


SO, let's take a look at the banned mad cow feed in commerce as late as 2007, 1 decade post August 4, 1997 partial and voluntary mad cow feed ban, shall we ;


HOW ABOUT THAT MAD COW FIRE WALL TOO ;


*** BANNED MAD COW FEED IN THE USA IN COMMERCE TONS AND TONS

THIS is just ONE month report, of TWO recalls of prohibited banned MBM, which is illegal, mixed with 85% blood meal, which is still legal, but yet we know the TSE/BSE agent will transmit blood. we have this l-BSE in North America that is much more virulent and there is much concern with blood issue and l-BSE as there is with nvCJD in humans. some are even starting to be concerned with sporadic CJD and blood, and there are studies showing transmission there as well. ... this is one month recall page, where 10 MILLION POUNDS OF BANNED MAD COW FEED WENT OUT INTO COMMERCE, TO BE FED OUT. very little of the product that reaches commerce is ever returned via recall, very, very little. this was 2007, TEN YEARS AFTER THE AUGUST 4, 1997, PARTIAL AND VOLUNTARY MAD COW FEED BAN IN THE USA, that was nothing but ink on paper. i have listed the tonnage of mad cow feed that was in ALABAMA in one of the links too, this is where the infamous g-h-BSEalabama case was, a genetic relation matching the new sporadic CJD in the USA. seems this saga just keeps getting better and better.......$$$


10,000,000+ LBS. of PROHIBITED BANNED MAD COW FEED I.E. BLOOD LACED MBM IN COMMERCE USA 2007

Date: March 21, 2007 at 2:27 pm PST

RECALLS AND FIELD CORRECTIONS: VETERINARY MEDICINES -- CLASS II


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PRODUCT

Bulk cattle feed made with recalled Darling's 85% Blood Meal, Flash Dried, Recall # V-024-2007

CODE

Cattle feed delivered between 01/12/2007 and 01/26/2007

RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER

Pfeiffer, Arno, Inc, Greenbush, WI. by conversation on February 5, 2007.

Firm initiated recall is ongoing.

REASON

Blood meal used to make cattle feed was recalled because it was cross- contaminated with prohibited bovine meat and bone meal that had been manufactured on common equipment and labeling did not bear cautionary BSE statement.

VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE

42,090 lbs.

DISTRIBUTION

WI

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PRODUCT

Custom dairy premix products: MNM ALL PURPOSE Pellet, HILLSIDE/CDL Prot- Buffer Meal, LEE, M.-CLOSE UP PX Pellet, HIGH DESERT/ GHC LACT Meal, TATARKA, M CUST PROT Meal, SUNRIDGE/CDL PROTEIN Blend, LOURENZO, K PVM DAIRY Meal, DOUBLE B DAIRY/GHC LAC Mineral, WEST PIONT/GHC CLOSEUP Mineral, WEST POINT/GHC LACT Meal, JENKS, J/COMPASS PROTEIN Meal, COPPINI - 8# SPECIAL DAIRY Mix, GULICK, L-LACT Meal (Bulk), TRIPLE J - PROTEIN/LACTATION, ROCK CREEK/GHC MILK Mineral, BETTENCOURT/GHC S.SIDE MK-MN, BETTENCOURT #1/GHC MILK MINR, V&C DAIRY/GHC LACT Meal, VEENSTRA, F/GHC LACT Meal, SMUTNY, A- BYPASS ML W/SMARTA, Recall # V-025-2007

CODE

The firm does not utilize a code - only shipping documentation with commodity and weights identified.

RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER

Rangen, Inc, Buhl, ID, by letters on February 13 and 14, 2007. Firm initiated recall is complete.

REASON

Products manufactured from bulk feed containing blood meal that was cross contaminated with prohibited meat and bone meal and the labeling did not bear cautionary BSE statement.

VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE

9,997,976 lbs.

DISTRIBUTION

ID and NV

END OF ENFORCEMENT REPORT FOR MARCH 21, 2007

http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/EnforcementReports/2007/ucm120446.htm



Saturday, August 14, 2010

BSE Case Associated with Prion Protein Gene Mutation (g-h-BSEalabama) and VPSPr PRIONPATHY

*** (see mad cow feed in COMMERCE IN ALABAMA...TSS)

BANNED MAD COW FEED IN COMMERCE IN ALABAMA

Date: September 6, 2006 at 7:58 am PST PRODUCT

snip...see full text on mad cow feed in commerce through 2007 ;


Saturday, July 23, 2011

CATTLE HEADS WITH TONSILS, BEEF TONGUES, SPINAL CORD, SPECIFIED RISK MATERIALS (SRM's) AND PRIONS, AKA MAD COW DISEASE

http://transmissiblespongiformencephalopathy.blogspot.com/2011/07/cattle-heads-with-tonsils-beef-tongues.html




Saturday, November 6, 2010

TAFS1 Position Paper on Position Paper on Relaxation of the Feed Ban in the EU Berne, 2010 TAFS

INTERNATIONAL FORUM FOR TRANSMISSIBLE ANIMAL DISEASES AND FOOD SAFETY a non-profit Swiss Foundation

http://madcowfeed.blogspot.com/2010/11/tafs1-position-paper-on-position-paper.html




Archive Number 20101206.4364 Published Date 06-DEC-2010 Subject PRO/AH/EDR> Prion disease update 2010 (11)

PRION DISEASE UPDATE 2010 (11)

http://www.promedmail.org/pls/apex/f?p=2400:1001:5492868805159684::NO::F2400_P1001_BACK_PAGE,F2400_P1001_PUB_MAIL_ID:1000,86129



http://www.isid.org/about/about.shtml




P.9.21

Molecular characterization of BSE in Canada

Jianmin Yang1, Sandor Dudas2, Catherine Graham2, Markus Czub3, Tim McAllister1, Stefanie Czub1 1Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada Research Centre, Canada; 2National and OIE BSE Reference Laboratory, Canada; 3University of Calgary, Canada

Background: Three BSE types (classical and two atypical) have been identified on the basis of molecular characteristics of the misfolded protein associated with the disease. To date, each of these three types have been detected in Canadian cattle.

Objectives: This study was conducted to further characterize the 16 Canadian BSE cases based on the biochemical properties of there associated PrPres. Methods: Immuno-reactivity, molecular weight, glycoform profiles and relative proteinase K sensitivity of the PrPres from each of the 16 confirmed Canadian BSE cases was determined using modified Western blot analysis.

Results: Fourteen of the 16 Canadian BSE cases were C type, 1 was H type and 1 was L type. The Canadian H and L-type BSE cases exhibited size shifts and changes in glycosylation similar to other atypical BSE cases. PK digestion under mild and stringent conditions revealed a reduced protease resistance of the atypical cases compared to the C-type cases. N terminal- specific antibodies bound to PrPres from H type but not from C or L type. The C-terminal-specific antibodies resulted in a shift in the glycoform profile and detected a fourth band in the Canadian H-type BSE.

Discussion: The C, L and H type BSE cases in Canada exhibit molecular characteristics similar to those described for classical and atypical BSE cases from Europe and Japan. This supports the theory that the importation of BSE contaminated feedstuff is the source of C-type BSE in Canada.

*** It also suggests a similar cause or source for atypical BSE in these countries.

http://www.prion2009.com/sites/default/files/Prion2009_Book_of_Abstracts.pdf



PLEASE SEE ;

Unacceptable risk: When the potential harm either to animal or humans from a feed product attains a level not acceptable to decision-makers. The level may vary depending on the type of harm.

http://www.fda.gov/cvm/AFSS3rdDraftFramework.html



Friday, September 4, 2009

FOIA REQUEST ON FEED RECALL PRODUCT 429,128 lbs. feed for ruminant animals may have been contaminated with prohibited material Recall # V-258-2009

http://madcowfeed.blogspot.com/2009/09/foia-request-on-feed-recall-product.html



Saturday, August 29, 2009

FOIA REQUEST FEED RECALL 2009 Product may have contained prohibited materials Bulk Whole Barley, Recall # V-256-2009

http://madcowfeed.blogspot.com/2009/08/foia-request-feed-recall-2009-product.html



C O N F I R M E D


----- Original Message -----

From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."

To:

Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:25 PM

Subject: [BSE-L] re-FOIA REQUEST ON FEED RECALL PRODUCT contaminated with prohibited material Recall # V-258-2009 and Recall # V-256-2009

http://madcowfeed.blogspot.com/2009/11/re-foia-request-on-feed-recall-product.html



PLEASE UNDERSTAND, with a Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathy, once clinical, the disease is 100% fatal. There should be NO debate of the 'unacceptable risk factor', with any TSE. ...TSS

Sunday, June 26, 2011

Risk Analysis of Low-Dose Prion Exposures in Cynomolgus Macaque


http://transmissiblespongiformencephalopathy.blogspot.com/2011/06/risk-analysis-of-low-dose-prion.html




Friday, March 4, 2011

Alberta dairy cow found with mad cow disease

http://transmissiblespongiformencephalopathy.blogspot.com/2011/03/alberta-dairy-cow-found-with-mad-cow.html



Wednesday, August 11, 2010

REPORT ON THE INVESTIGATION OF THE SIXTEENTH CASE OF BOVINE SPONGIFORM ENCEPHALOPATHY (BSE) IN CANADA

http://bse-atypical.blogspot.com/2010/08/report-on-investigation-of-sixteenth.html




Thursday, August 19, 2010

REPORT ON THE INVESTIGATION OF THE SEVENTEENTH CASE OF BOVINE SPONGIFORM ENCEPHALOPATHY (BSE) IN CANADA

http://bseusa.blogspot.com/2010/08/report-on-investigation-of-seventeenth.html



Thursday, February 10, 2011

TRANSMISSIBLE SPONGIFORM ENCEPHALOPATHY REPORT UPDATE CANADA FEBRUARY 2011 and how to hide mad cow disease in Canada Current as of: 2011-01-31

http://madcowtesting.blogspot.com/2011/02/transmissible-spongiform-encephalopathy.html



Wednesday, December 22, 2010

Manitoba veterinarian has been fined $10,000 for falsifying certification documents for U.S. bound cattle and what about mad cow disease ?

http://usdameatexport.blogspot.com/2010/12/manitoba-veterinarian-has-been-fined.html



i wonder if CFIA Canada uses the same OBEX ONLY diagnostic criteria as the USDA ?




Tuesday, November 02, 2010

BSE - ATYPICAL LESION DISTRIBUTION (RBSE 92-21367) statutory (obex only) diagnostic criteria CVL 1992

http://bse-atypical.blogspot.com/2010/11/bse-atypical-lesion-distribution-rbse.html



Sunday, August 21, 2011

The British disease, or a disease gone global, The TSE Prion Disease

http://transmissiblespongiformencephalopathy.blogspot.com/2011/08/british-disease-or-disease-gone-global.html



Saturday, June 25, 2011

Transmissibility of BSE-L and Cattle-Adapted TME Prion Strain to Cynomolgus Macaque



"BSE-L in North America may have existed for decades"


http://transmissiblespongiformencephalopathy.blogspot.com/2011/06/transmissibility-of-bse-l-and-cattle.html




RE - "BSE-L in North America may have existed for decades" YA THINK ???


Over the next 8-10 weeks, approximately 40% of all the adult mink on the farm died from TME.

snip...

The rancher was a ''dead stock'' feeder using mostly (>95%) downer or dead dairy cattle...


http://web.archive.org/web/20030516051623/http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m09/tab05.pdf




Friday, February 18, 2011

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA VS GALEN J. NIEHUES FAKED MAD COW FEED TEST ON 92 BSE INSPECTION REPORTS FOR APPROXIMATELY 100 CATTLE OPERATIONS ''PLEADS GUILTY"

http://bse-atypical.blogspot.com/2011/02/united-states-of-america-vs-galen-j.html




see also ;



Thursday, August 4, 2011

Terry Singeltary Sr. on the Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease Public Health Crisis, Date aired: 27 Jun 2011

(see video here) ;


http://transmissiblespongiformencephalopathy.blogspot.com/2011/08/terry-singeltary-sr-on-creutzfeldt.html




Sunday, August 21, 2011

The British disease, or a disease gone global, The TSE Prion Disease

(see video here)


http://transmissiblespongiformencephalopathy.blogspot.com/2011/08/british-disease-or-disease-gone-global.html




http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_23850.cfm




http://www.cjdblogger.com/journal-old/2011/8/25/clarifications.html#comment14995903



Patricia Doyle, PhD, and Jeff Rinse et al ;


it is, what it is, prion vs virus vs whatever ? that is exactly how ProMed et al stated it, and again, the mad cow feed ban, was what it was, non existent through 2007.

what i find really strange and sad here is, Patricia A. Doyle DVM, PhD rude comments, via Jeff Rense, about ProMed et al endless efforts to track down these deadly pathogens around the globe.
I applaud ProMed et al for their efforts.

This is all very strange for Patricia Doyle, PhD, and Jeff Rense et al. ...


kindest regards, terry

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